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Post by RurouninMao on Jan 28, 2005 9:08:31 GMT -5
Oh yeah how about aloowing to refund their UP used to buying seishin(Free Seishin doesnt count), i mean they may get a new class but there Seishin might not fit the new one anymore
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Post by Radius on Jan 28, 2005 12:08:46 GMT -5
Umb, Belmont, and Tarbis.
There's your list, enjoy.
(Tied with Sei Senshi for the most suck since I joined, huzzah!)
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Post by Imban on Jan 28, 2005 12:11:02 GMT -5
I think Magenta also had one, but he's long vanished.
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Post by CowboyJohnny on Jan 28, 2005 17:13:35 GMT -5
We haven't refunded seishin UP for major class mods, though, Mao. I'm thinking of VP in particular: "You don't like having Direct Attack as much now that you don't have +10 TDC? Oh well!"
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Post by Kyoryushin on Jan 29, 2005 6:26:24 GMT -5
Direct attack, heck that thing is one of the more useful seishin in the SC, mostly any class can benefit from it, doesnt matter if you have a +10 Dc or not, also VP got changed, it didnt get removed. Thats a whole lot of difference
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Post by RurouninMao on Jan 29, 2005 7:13:50 GMT -5
We haven't refunded seishin UP for major class mods, though, Mao. I'm thinking of VP in particular: "You don't like having Direct Attack as much now that you don't have +10 TDC? Oh well!" Thats the point, they were modded, not erased out of excistence, even with mods, the core concpet of the ability is still there, and more or less the seishin you already have on it fits the class. So what if you dont have +DC, Direct attack is as good as any spell out there.
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Post by Arad Baranga on Jan 29, 2005 11:09:50 GMT -5
Actually VP was a really major change that may as well have been a complete removal. The entire class' focus was shifted to make room for the song abilities. It went from an offensive class to a defensive/support class. That's why I myself went and changed my class, and Umb stopped really using his often, because it wasn't anything like the old VP.
Also, Direct Attack is not a good spell when your class suddenly changed to focus on not using weapons at all. The only spells I could see an Antibody going for to specifically fit his class are all general-use ones too, like Concentrate, Accelerate, Sure Hit, Iron Wall and Resist. That's because with the exception of a few expensive seishin, all of the spells in the SC are general-use. I got my ass kicked by an EH with Greater Perseverance a few times even though it's definitely not a spell that is best tailored to their ability (since they don't like getting hit and all). So really, there's not a large difference between this and VP.
Don't get me wrong, I don't really MIND if Antibodies get a UP refund. I just have to agree with Johnny that it doesn't make much sense to give them one, and precedent leans towards not doing so.
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Post by Belmont on Jan 29, 2005 16:03:22 GMT -5
Instead of the ups Refund why not let the people gain the Antibody Skill for free if it gets turned into a skill
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Post by Umbaglo on Jan 29, 2005 19:11:40 GMT -5
I don't care if there's a refund. The spell list on my Antibody is pretty solid and transferable to another class. So I think we can just ignore that and carry on.
And Kait's correct. The first VP change might as well have been a deletion. The class as a whole had a radical context shift. No other class has had as drastic a mod, at least as long as I've been around. Everything else has been small modifications that keep the concept of the class intact.
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Post by Aslan Cross on Jan 30, 2005 8:29:31 GMT -5
So, nothing but a free class change and a refund for Slit Wafer, then?
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Post by Umbaglo on Jan 30, 2005 10:24:35 GMT -5
Sounds good to me.
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Post by Rekan Yuusha on Jan 30, 2005 11:06:26 GMT -5
*Nudge nudge* You know, some people have regretted buying other subclasses, too...you could give them a chance to change, too...*nudge*
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Post by Arad Baranga on Jan 30, 2005 11:08:49 GMT -5
*Nudge nudge* You know, some people have regretted buying other subclasses, too...you could give them a chance to change, too...*nudge* That's coming.
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Post by tiffac on Feb 1, 2005 2:09:00 GMT -5
So all peeps with Antibody class will not get any refund for the UP pts they used on it? but rather they can put it on a different class which they are now free to choose correct?!
suddenly I wished I had a Antibody then. lolz!
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