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Post by RurouninMao on Jan 11, 2005 9:10:58 GMT -5
Yeah depends on Rank would be a nice idea, maybe a lower version of the MS Bosum Jump be in ordeer?
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Post by Umbaglo on Jan 11, 2005 12:21:06 GMT -5
Uh, no. Why would we do that? Then the classes would be the same, except for Antibody being a lot more limited as Vital Jump is BP units only, and Bosun is any unit.
Not to mention that Vital Jump acts just like bunshin does on a lot of the units we have that have it.
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Post by Belmont on Jan 12, 2005 3:01:00 GMT -5
We'll perhaps the brains could have what ever type of Bushin that there size mechs are given then give the antibody's an ability that Improves the Bunshin on that brain.
or we can just stick the Bunshin Label and give them Better Stats with there Antibody reaction lvl and even allow Charka Shield to be able to negate all Element/environment modifiers.
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Post by RurouninMao on Jan 12, 2005 9:04:41 GMT -5
hmmm....whats the best bushin do we have here in the SC? The MS 3/5 ? or is there a better one?
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Post by Umbaglo on Jan 12, 2005 9:38:14 GMT -5
Martian Successors don't have bunshin.
And as for the best bunshin, that's not easially answered. The best normal is about 3/5, which a lot of units have. Tobigake can get 4/6 if a Ninja Senshi is piloting it. Yami no Taoih can get 15/20 or 17/20 depending on items.
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Post by Tavish on Jan 12, 2005 14:42:39 GMT -5
We'll perhaps the brains could have what ever type of Bushin that there size mechs are given then give the antibody's an ability that Improves the Bunshin on that brain. or we can just stick the Bunshin Label and give them Better Stats with there Antibody reaction lvl and even allow Charka Shield to be able to negate all Element/environment modifiers. Maybe that is a route that we should take. Or incorporate better Bunshin into the Antibody's Slit Wafer. It would make them pretty useless without it, but... hmm. Right now, Antibody are pretty much entirely mecha dependent. If we give them the MS Boson Jump, then they'll be only partially mecha dependent. If we give them Bunshin X/Y, or expendable Bunshin (as per Ninja and Getter Vision), same. But then, they'll have to stack up against the other classes. Honestly, either of those ways, there won't be much point to have the Antibody class. They'd just more or less look like copies of Ninja Senshi or Martian Successors. We could take off the Vital Jump restriction from Brains, and allow the Antibody to use better bunshin. We could leave the Vital Jump restriction in place, but mostly that would just make Vital Jump a class-restricted bunshin that activates in Brains (it could vary with the class, or vary with the Brain, your pick). It doesn't seem to make the Antibody persuasively unique to me.
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Post by Belmont on Jan 12, 2005 16:06:53 GMT -5
The antibody's have the Pontintional to become there own unique class we just have to look at them from 2 point of views what SRW did with them and what they are able to do in there respective Anime much like ther other classes.
SRW made the Skill Antibody Reaction which Increases Accuracy, Evade and the power of attacks, as well as increasing the range of attacks depending on lvl. There Chakra Shield extend was used 2 different ways one is if a Brain exists in a platoon it Grants ally units chakra shield and in Events extend it into a wall negateing Attacks. And when Vital jump is active there arent effected by terrien effects.
Now in the Anime the brains are able to Modifiy Energy from like explosions(energy) and reflect them back with there charka shields if the Pilot and the Brain are strong enough. Chakra Shield can be a constent barrier that surrounds the Brain because of this there arent effected from any outside source making them immune to any outside affect be it in the middle of a blizzard or underneth the ocean. Im sure theres other stuff they are able to do but im sort on time so I cant go back and rewacth episoudes
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Post by Umbaglo on Jan 12, 2005 16:30:20 GMT -5
Here's some food for thought.
Firstly, is that the people who pilot Antibodies in Brain Powerd are nobody special. ANYONE can pilot an Antibody; it does not require any kind of special talent, skill, or ability. These people are really darn plain. I still do not understand why this was made a class in the first place. It really did not deserve it.
But probably more importantly, any attempt to really adapt what was in A2 or Brain Powerd means that you're cloning Martian Successor. I mean, just look back over this thread, and you can tell. Most descriptions of Antibody abilities are responded with "Hey, that's just like Martian Successor, so let's give them a version of their ability." How is this conductive to a valid class?
Tavish hit the nail on the head (though anywhere-use Vital Jump makes no sense, because it's an ability of the Antibody, not the pilot). All suggestions made so far are either totally out there whacked, or are cloning Martian Successor. This class has less of a reason to exist then Child of Eva does, and only did because one person whined enough. I really don't think we should bother trying to fool ourselves anymore, and just get rid of this. Nothing that an Antibody did in the series was because of any sort of special pilot ability. It's not like the people have psychic powers they use to mentally control something, or have magic kung-fu powers, or have really high prana. They're just normal people who are good with children, which is something anybody can do.
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Post by Mechalomaniac on Jan 12, 2005 17:45:55 GMT -5
That works for me. Umb made a perfectly valid arguement, and those who want to pilot Brains can still do so. If they want spiffy Bunshin they can do MS, if they want a free barrier they can go Psychodriver or Sei Senshi. Plus, from a selfish view, it makes my selection of my last class easier. ;D
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Post by Belmont on Jan 13, 2005 0:51:47 GMT -5
So..be it but because of this Brain Powerd Units stats are going to have to be redone seeing that the class will no longer exist.
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Post by Tavish on Jan 13, 2005 3:14:27 GMT -5
So, all of the (two) people who have Antibody and use Brain Powered units are consenting to this arrangement? Then, it would seem that we have only to decide what happens to those possessing the Antibody class, and go over the Brain Powered units and propose alterations.
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Post by Mechalomaniac on Jan 13, 2005 3:20:15 GMT -5
Well, assuming the higher ups are ok with this. It's sort of a big thing to just delete a class. Also I believe someone else (I want to say tiffac, but I'm not sure) has an Antibody.
Assuming this goes through though, unit mods shouldn't be too hard. Chakra Shield gains a base EN cost and can cover allies like Planet Defensors. Vital Jump just becomes some kind of Bunshin (2/4 or 3/5 perhaps, Brains seem to jump around a lot as part of normal movement). The main issue is what becomes of Slit Wafer. Another problem will be their rank tags needing to be adjusted, as well as the Grunt Dressup.
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Post by Tavish on Jan 13, 2005 3:24:31 GMT -5
Okay, my bad, Tarbis has one as well. And Magenta, but that person hasn't posted for... a while?
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Post by Belmont on Jan 13, 2005 5:05:24 GMT -5
Chakra shield should remain free it should only use en when its being extended..the Item thats used to emulate slit wafer can be changed to be the actual suit so equiping it on a brain should give the pilot a toned down version of the antibody reaction lvl
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Post by Umbaglo on Jan 13, 2005 6:51:08 GMT -5
Slit Wafer will just be removed entirely. It's entire point was to specify that the unit was an Antibody.
And Chakra Shield will not be free. It costs EN in A2.
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