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Post by RurouninMao on Jan 26, 2005 9:13:56 GMT -5
Hmmm, i kinda like your Type A, well except for the Vital Jump which looks kinda like a mix of old Evasive Maneuver + present one am i correct on what im seeing?
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Post by Umbaglo on Jan 26, 2005 9:32:44 GMT -5
Your AB Reaction Level skills are really unrealistic and the mods are too high.
Your Chakra Shield things are horrendiously inefficient, and don't work like real Chakra Shields do. 4 EN and 2 PCs to negate less then I can for 1 EN? Come on here.
Type A's Vital Jump is just plain wrong. It's not like that at all. Type B's, at least, is a bit closer to the real thing.
These just... arn't representative of the series, ignoring that the pilots are not anything special.
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Post by Tavish on Jan 26, 2005 14:26:09 GMT -5
Vital Jump on Type A is like...
It's basically like the current Martian Successor, only slightly more dodgy-oriented, and not requiring any charge time, almost. One dodge means one Vital Counter, which means one super dodge. That's way, way, way more efficient than anything we have.
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Post by Avitar Diggs on Jan 26, 2005 20:35:10 GMT -5
So, you wanna dodge better than a Newtype, bunshin more than a Martian Successor, and have a tougher shield than a Psychodriver, that will be somewhat unlimited if the new dodge pool comes into effect? And on top of that, more damage?
*Avitar slaps Belmont around with a large trout.
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Post by Belmont on Jan 27, 2005 2:45:29 GMT -5
*Cacthes the trout and pulls it away tossing it back into the ocean*..Antibody's(mecha) are faster then any mechine any newtype can pilot...
I made them up they are only rough drafts. Now instead of flaming lets get back to building a usable class
Looks like the Vital Counter thing is out so lets use Type B's Vital Jump.
that leaves Chakra shield Extend to manage, Umbanglo since you also have seen the Anime from the way you rant on why dont you post your own version of Chakra shield extend from what you know of.
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Post by Tavish on Jan 27, 2005 3:02:09 GMT -5
Sounds good to me. I'd just word extension like Planet Defensor extension. And I suggest Vital Jump be either 2/4 or 2/5, or should it be variable per unit? I'd make it variable per unit. Sounds good on the Planet Defensors thing, although I might allow it to cover the user at the same time... I'm not sure, I haven't seen enough of the anime to tell. For reference... Proposal... Antibody subclasses are permitted to change class (as if they were a main class) and the class is deleted. This is all free of charge to those who possess Antibody, as subclass or main. Chakra Shield requires 1 EN, any proposals for Chakra Shield Extend? Slit Wafer is left in and remains inactive until a decision on whether or not to incorporate the Antibody Reaction Level skill, or others like them, is made. Vital Jump becomes a standard bunshin.
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Post by Mechalomaniac on Jan 27, 2005 3:21:55 GMT -5
I havn't seen the anime either, but in Alpha 2, Chakra Shield was able to protect both the Brain as well as all squadmates, though it took extra energy for each shot.
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Post by Eis Attacker! Ver.W on Jan 27, 2005 3:58:15 GMT -5
All indications point to the removal of Antibody. We will of course give compensation to the members who purchased it. We're still not too sure about making it a pilot skill, though. Can we just listen to Aslan and end this discussion? ACE will not help with how Antibodies are handled, BPs and Nadesico units are not similar, and Antibodies really don't have a justification to continue to be kept as a pilot class, especially since half the abilities of this class are overlapped by another that already exists. And I can sure guarantee you that Brains aren't the fastest things out there. You can't just out and say that no mobile suit can over-power the speed of a Brain without proof. Brains may teleport, but it's short-ranged at best. They normally don't fly very fast. The relationship between an Antibody and its pilot is what determines the strength of the Antibody itself in battle (SRW's Antibody Reaction, and the SC's Antibody class are both misleading in what an Antibody really is). The pilots are not the Antibodies, it's the Brains and Gran Chers that are. Being able to expel a Chakra Shield (and extending it) is also the unit's (the Antibody's) ability than that of the pilot's. Vital Jumping is the same. All the pilot does is 'guide' the Antibody to do what it does. What SRW's "Antibody Reaction" should truly be interpreted as, is not some special reaction within the pilot's blood or innate ability that increases the ability of the unit as a whole, but an emotional relationship level between the two, like pet and master. Antibody Reaction therefore is basically the level of emotional reaction, by the antibody, to its master. If you want to argue why we have this class in the first place, I'll only say it was because one member (who is currently more or less inactive but shall not be named here) clamored for it until the high mods were so annoyed that they decided to create it just to quiet the member. Although that member changed to this class right away, he then very soon replaced with another because he decided it was too weak. I don't hate Brain Powered. It's one of the better shows I've seen, but the truth is we don't need this class here. Pure and simple. Well, hope I explained this well enough. If not, Umb can cover what I missed.
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Post by Belmont on Jan 28, 2005 3:00:14 GMT -5
heh..looks like theres no reason to fight a losing battle.. although in the manga they do refer to the antibodys using energy from the pilots...forget it..tell me this what happens to me?, im the only Active Antibody on these boards. what would I be given in losing my silt wafer and my main class?
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Post by Tavish on Jan 28, 2005 3:36:51 GMT -5
Too bad for you that Umbaglo is an active Antibody as well!
And if you think you're "losing" something, you're pretty wrong. The ability to use a Brain Powered mecha freely, and also stack another pilot in there, is a lot better than having to use a certain pilot class for it, generally speaking.
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Post by Mechalomaniac on Jan 28, 2005 4:00:44 GMT -5
You'd get to pick another class, keep everything you have, and you'd get your money back for your Slit Wafer. Honestly this isn't really a bad situation for you. You can still use Brains as well as anyone else, but you'll also be useful outside of them.
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Post by Belmont on Jan 28, 2005 4:08:14 GMT -5
You'd get to pick another class, keep everything you have, and you'd get your money back for your Slit Wafer. Honestly this isn't really a bad situation for you. You can still use Brains as well as anyone else, but you'll also be useful outside of them. Thats all I needed thanks..and I know what situation I am in its just seeing a class go...especially since it was my main class
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Post by Aslan Cross on Jan 28, 2005 7:17:09 GMT -5
If there's nothing else that needs to be done, should I go ahead and dissolve Antibody? After that's done we can just discuss what to do in implementing the Antibody skill.
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Post by Kyoryushin on Jan 28, 2005 7:48:26 GMT -5
Maybe you should have a list of those who have AB classes and see how much you will compenstae them?
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Post by Aslan Cross on Jan 28, 2005 7:55:58 GMT -5
They'll get another class and a refund for the Slit Wafer. There aren't that many, so listing that down may not be necessary.
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