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Post by CowboyJohnny on Nov 18, 2004 2:19:18 GMT -5
I'm not really thinking along the lines of "Mega Beam Zweihander (BMS)- 90 damage, 1 EN/attack" so much as "Mega Beam Zweihander could have (S) added and become a little stronger."
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Post by Imban on Nov 18, 2004 2:20:44 GMT -5
It seems that the chat consensus is that stats are allowable if you want to use them to get your point across - of course, ridiculous stats are more likely to get you immediately rejected.
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Post by Tavish on Nov 18, 2004 2:28:30 GMT -5
Just giving a complete stat block, without notes inserted in with it, so you can see what was changed, or even just notes with statistics in it, is really stifling, in my opinion. Those, completed statted submissions with little to no detail, are really the kinds of submissions which I think, are more likely to just get acceptance or rejection straight-out, and seem less compromising.
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Post by Berrik on Nov 18, 2004 2:34:10 GMT -5
It seems that the chat consensus is that stats are allowable if you want to use them to get your point across - of course, ridiculous stats are more likely to get you immediately rejected. This is basically what I was aiming for when I included stats with mine.
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Post by Belmont on Nov 18, 2004 3:25:19 GMT -5
We'll what Im trying to get at is what will stop the Hanger Moderators from giving each other unbalanced stats and a lower PC cost for there personal unit?, that can also be said for other members who are all buddy buddy with them. Dont say it whont happen because it can happen case and point is with Trigger's Heavy Metal, It was declined but some how ended up getting accepted and recieving that hp Regain. Which at no point In ANY SRW OR ANIME Series was it able to regenerate itself.
Not only that but most of Moderators already have huge amounts of PC's which can be used on having the already over powered mechs in the hanger or in there AM account and getting them personalized.
This Proposal seems good on paper but so did communism. Im just saying all it takes is one person to totally mess it up.
But if it were implanted perhaps it is wise to allow only One Personalized Unit per AM Account
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Post by Tristan on Nov 18, 2004 4:52:27 GMT -5
You know nothing, my capatalist friend. The tides of the corrupt regime brought on by corporate strife mean nothing compared to the neverending drawn of the glorious red empire! You will be swept away with your foolish ideals and principles, while a utopia is born!
And if we grant each other units worthy of our stations, while you cling and huddle in the PC lines, collecting a weeks worth of food for your thirty children, so be it! We are simply the harbringers of a revolution.
Otherwise known as, stop your godamn bitching. It doesn't work like that. You're only complaining because your idea wasn't realistic. Triggers was approved because it was closer to the Mortar Headd, which do have HP Regen. Seriously, yours involved owning two of a single unique suit. Where in SRW did two Yuu Brains or whatever exist?
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Post by Umbaglo on Nov 18, 2004 6:06:15 GMT -5
No point in any SRW did Gunbuster have EN Regen. No point in any series did Ex-S have a shield. No point in any game did Liege Gieos have a massive zewihander.
The point of the entire thing, Belmont, was not to just improve all the stats and remove flaws, but to make interesting customizations. You might want to take a gander at the units which were considered "Great!" submissions.
Anyway, there's not much room for people to mess around because it's not a single person who'll be making the things. There'll be a bunch of people looking over them, and those who have been suggested thus far are fair individuals.
Also, I do not see a need to limit the number of personalized submissions. You're paying out your nose each time.
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Post by Seth Valentine on Nov 18, 2004 7:16:42 GMT -5
Hey, concerning the personalized units that have already been approved and made in the "unofficial" thread. Do we still have to pay the 250 for them to get looked over?
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Post by Umbaglo on Nov 18, 2004 7:20:16 GMT -5
I'm saying that you would still have to pay the application fee. Depending on who gets assigned to this, though, I suspect that you can get the test unit, or at least something similar. I can see some applications, though, ending up being reassessed.
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Post by Seth Valentine on Nov 18, 2004 7:25:29 GMT -5
You know nothing, my capatalist friend. The tides of the corrupt regime brought on by corporate strife mean nothing compared to the neverending drawn of the glorious red empire! You will be swept away with your foolish ideals and principles, while a utopia is born!
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Post by Imban on Nov 18, 2004 11:39:27 GMT -5
Belmont> Admittedly, I shouldn't have accepted Trigger's, since it completely lacked description of any sort. Of course, this was while I was still getting the rules for customization sorted out in my head.
In any case, I thought that the HP Regen was ridiculous at first, but apparently, since higher-tier HMs are closer to Mortar Headds, and Mortar Headds can magically regenerate themselves, he was not without a leg to stand on there. If he had given reasons for things, his definitely would have been accepted.
Actually, if you hadn't given me a set of stats which screamed "broken! broken! this mech is broken!" (I mean, "bunshin is being replaced, so I want the old, broken bunshin!"?), and instead presented me with an interesting concept (Nelly Brain fused with... some other Brain that isn't already part of it) and maybe an ability or two that you think it should really have (like that Enhanced Chakra Shield), you probably would have been accepted.
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Post by Julius Firefocht on Nov 18, 2004 12:43:29 GMT -5
We'll what Im trying to get at is what will stop the Hanger Moderators from giving each other unbalanced stats and a lower PC cost for there personal unit?, that can also be said for other members who are all buddy buddy with them. Dont say it whont happen because it can happen case and point is with Trigger's Heavy Metal, It was declined but some how ended up getting accepted and recieving that hp Regain. Which at no point In ANY SRW OR ANIME Series was it able to regenerate itself. Not only that but most of Moderators already have huge amounts of PC's which can be used on having the already over powered mechs in the hanger or in there AM account and getting them personalized. This Proposal seems good on paper but so did communism. Im just saying all it takes is one person to totally mess it up. But if it were implanted perhaps it is wise to allow only One Personalized Unit per AM Account From what I can see, Belmont, your worry is based upon distrust of the admin and mods here. You fear that they will abuse their administrative powers to give themselves unfair advantages, right? Well, IMO, this entire Simchamber game system is based upon a concept called trust. Mods and administrators can do checks all they want, but face it, if a player really wants to cheat and lie, there is no real way to stop him, even if the cheater will be unearthed one fine day. That applies to mods as well. The fact that individuals are appointed as mods should imply there is a certain degree of trust given to them by the community, and that the community believes the individual is capable of being fair and honest in his/her work. That is why individuals can be appointed as mods without violent protest, and that is also an endorsement of their honesty and capabilities. Even so, if you truly fear that there will be an abuse of mod powers, well, we all have eyes to see and ears to hear, not to mention fingers to type protests with. So what's the problem? Having said that, lets get this show on the road.
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Post by Arad Baranga on Nov 18, 2004 12:57:41 GMT -5
You're also forgetting, Belmont, that eventually, a submitted personalized unit that gets accepted is available to the entire SC. If Person X gets a zillion of them added, anyone can go evolve to them if they'd like, so it's not really so exclusive even as far as PCs go.
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Post by Umbaglo on Nov 18, 2004 13:12:53 GMT -5
A minor thing that went pretty much unsaid during the tests, but came to me earlier today.
After the mod comes back with the stats and fee, the applicant should be allowed to make some minor changes in case there was a miscommunication, or an error, free of charge. An example would be in the first versions of Hi-Nu Comdam where Imban put Shield instead of Shield: C Divider, or the Proto Mazins, where I had intended for the Breast Burn/Fire attacks to be single hit, and for the Scrander modes to lose "Can only be used in space".
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Post by Imban on Nov 18, 2004 13:48:04 GMT -5
...good point.
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