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Post by Tavish on Mar 9, 2005 16:13:47 GMT -5
A few questions popped into my mind today, and I thought I would put this proposal forward. At the current moment, we have characters linked, essentially, to PCs. This doesn't make a whole lot of sense, to me.
Further, it costs ARC slots to claim original characters. This is a little silly. While admittedly sometimes the distinction is very fine, especially when you get derivative characters, such as, say, "Dark Dizzy," for those who go off on a limb and write their own little fiction and everything around a fairly unique invention, it's... strange to, if I want to use this character in the SC(W), "have" to claim this character, and have to own a mecha to do so. It's their own intellectual property already.
What I would propose is disconnecting the ARC slots from the SAMW slots, as well as making the rules more lenient towards original characters. It would hopefully make people consider what they want more.
Original characters should be still listed in the ARC, but there is no practical restriction on their numbers. Derivative characters, be they clones, or alternate universe versions, of a non-original character (say, Mother Duplicator Char Aznable, or Yet Another Alternate Universe Washu) do not enjoy this protection, even if they're different somehow.
Non-original characters (including derivatives, as above), are limited by a set number of ARC slots. I was kicking around in my head a number in the vicinity of 25, but I'd welcome other suggestions. Limiting it further to 5/rank might make sense (as most people in the SC either get to Lieutenant rank or don't participate much at all past the first three days).
Also, one character is yours. No one, present or future, can take them away from you, without your consent. Given that international rules of intellectual property and copyright law already essentially have your original characters covered, this would probably go for non-originals instead. Although if Go Nagai showed up and wanted to play Kouji, uhh... well, that doesn't happen anyways.
These would overwrite previous rules regarding the ARC and subcharacters. People who retained an ARC that was over whatever decided limit, with non-original characters, would have to cut them down to size, so to speak, but they'd get plenty of opportunity to do so.
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Post by MISTER TIBBS on Mar 9, 2005 23:37:17 GMT -5
I voiced my feelings in chat while you were around, and received support from a bunch of other mods in the process. So yeah. You know what I said. ~_~
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Post by Umbaglo on Mar 9, 2005 23:39:58 GMT -5
Not everyone else on the board does, however.
Basically, this is much too confining, and seems to be punishing a wide range of people for the actions of 1 or 2.
Also, tying ARC slots to units isn't really a bad idea. I mean, it's only really a problem when you're just starting out, and how many characters do you need then? Once a person gets going, they'll typically get more slots then they'll ever require.
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Post by Kira Yamato on Mar 10, 2005 14:02:48 GMT -5
well, I think 5-7 characters per class you own is good enough, no?
and you can make people pay for more ARC slots I guess
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Post by CowboyJohnny on Mar 10, 2005 15:37:40 GMT -5
Well, if for example Eis wants to claim all the characters from an obscure Japanese game, do we need to stop her? Probably no one else would use them, but if her slots are limited like that it can just give someone else an opportunity, for spite or to try to make a profit, that they don't already have.
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Post by Signal on Mar 10, 2005 18:09:02 GMT -5
I personally would like to say that not all characters claimed on their ARC's are used in combat, more probably they are the NPC's. So i do would like to suggest those to be free from slots given that they dont participate in any combat and assumes roles majorly in the SCW.
I honestly admit that i have a huge amount of NPC's but at least im trying to RP them together to form a mix at least.
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Post by Aslan Cross on Mar 10, 2005 18:18:05 GMT -5
Zengar, it would help if you told us what you think.
I agree with all the previous replies, though. The current system (with a few tweaks) is fine. And Umb hit it on the head with his comment---that this system is punishing everyone for the actions of a handful of people.
*ahem* However, I think these people---and they know who they are----could they be just a bit more considerate and just NOT claim legions and legions of characters? It's not like they're going to be lesser beings in the SCW if they let go of a few (or maybe 10) of their claimed characters.
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Post by WesleyGibson on Mar 10, 2005 21:05:53 GMT -5
I dunno, I kind of like the idea of slots for non-original characters being capped at some reasonable number. I know claiming rarely gets out of hand, but I think a smaller cap would ensure that everybody has a few of the non-originals they like, and discourage hoarding.
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Post by Tavish on Mar 11, 2005 5:32:06 GMT -5
Some people brought up a few points that fateful night that I'd like to specifically address. Basically, that having a lot of a certain set of characters allows you to do events around them more easily, and press SCW interaction forward more briskly. While this is true, and as an SCW mod I not only recognize this and appreciate it, it also cuts down on interaction. This... may not be a good thing. I'd like to misappropriate someone else's perspective (they were commenting on how such behaviour as ARC hoarding is unacceptable), this is a community. At least for the SCW, et alia, if you don't interact with others, what's the point?
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Post by Umbaglo on Mar 11, 2005 7:22:00 GMT -5
There are instances where such interactions could be detremental to the story you plan to play out. Sure, person X may have character Y from your series, but Mr. X may be a bad RPer, or not know the character, or whatever, which would ruin what you plan to have done.
In addition to that, a good number of those "side" characters, who would really care to get them? I mean, sure it's a deal for a popular series (at least for some people), but who really cares if I wanted to get the casts of a bunch of ancient shows because I planned on using them?
I think that there's a much simpler solution to the problem you present. It's not really a matter of limiting how many a person can get. I think it's more that the limitations on usage should be relaxed.
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Post by Sytax on Mar 11, 2005 13:50:16 GMT -5
As far as I can see the only bad RPers are those that don't make an effort to RP at all. At least those who make the effort are trying to use their characters to interact. Interesting those that tend not to RP or RP 'badly' are also those who tend to hoarde characters (by which I mean having large amounts of characters sitting around doing nothing). THis seems obvious since when you have a large number of characters you can't do them justice. Thats why i'd like to propose the follwing:
The system stays the same as it is, however each person assigns 25(this number can be altered) characters that they will be using to RP. Any characters that they own but arn't in their 25 can be in someone elses 25 or vise versa. This way people that want to RP characters which others have but arn't using get to do so, while those who want to have ridiculous amounts of characters get to keep them too.
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Post by Kira Yamato on Mar 11, 2005 13:56:13 GMT -5
25 sounds good, maybe we can charge people for having more than 25 non-original characters at an increasing rate (10PC for the 26th, 20PC for the 27th, 40PC for the 28th and so on .....) that amount can change
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Post by Seth Valentine on Mar 11, 2005 17:57:28 GMT -5
But the idea of claiming characters is making them exclusive to yourself. If I wanted to RP someone else's characters, I'd ask them. Not that they'd definitely let me, but it's much nicer and less likely to irritate anyone.
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Post by Signal on Mar 11, 2005 21:28:55 GMT -5
While i see that 25 is a nice number to be fixed at... i somehow disagree with limiting the numbers of characters to be RPed. As you can honestly see... i myself have more than 25 of my characters running around the SCW which i have sub divided into groups of their own but that doesnt mean im not the only one with that issue, it also involves other people with lots of characters that are at least active in the SCW.
Its also a bad idea to sue fees for overlimit characters by PC's given that it might give a commotion among here.
The primary solution as i could see so far is to see awareness on the people here and some observations for RPer's given if they plan for somthing big at least they could consult the SCW mods and ask their best advice as well as comments for future issues that will come.
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Post by Sytax on Mar 12, 2005 1:23:43 GMT -5
I did say the number 25 could be adjusted -_-... but I think the point of my proposal was that people could hoarde but if they're not going to bother Rping then why not let others use them without having to be asked... Since the issue tends to be about 'ownership'
Personally I don't see why anyone would want to possess characters and not want to RP them to the best of their ability, but this way it allows for people to be possessive and yet also let people use the chars in some form of roleplay.
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