EVA Pilot Discussion

[Tavish]

Let's talk Angst-Powered Robo.
First, why a new thread? Because.

The most recent change proposed for EVAs and their pilots was an AT Field proposal. This was executed by Umbaglo, and the discussion was somewhere about... simchamber.proboards4.com/index.cgi?board=controlroom&action=display&n=1&thread=3288.

This met with pretty much overwhelming approval. For postereity, the stats are posted here. I made one minor addition, the mention of "active" AT Fields in reference to negation, as it was brought up in the thread.

It has been pointed out to me that this is already in the Hangar, and snuck in sometime a week or two back. It even had the same addition. However, I shall leave this here. Because... it's important!

AT Field: Negate x damage from any source for 1 EN. AT-Field only negates weapons of x damage or below and is automatically negated if used to block damage with a value of x + 1 or above. Pay 50% of the DESTROY negation price to negate PARALYZE attacks.
A unit's AT-Field is automatically negated by attacks that come from units with active AT-Fields.:
Private: x = 20. May also pay 20 EN to negate DESTROY:L1 attacks.
Corporal: x = 25. May also pay 16 EN to negate DESTROY:L1 attacks.
Sergeant: x = 30. May also pay 12 EN to negate DESTROY:L1 attacks.
Ensign: x = 35. May also pay 9 EN to negate DESTROY:L1 attacks.
Lieutenant: x = 40. May also pay 6 EN to negate DESTROY:L1 attacks.

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There was much talk in this thread started by Tristan, but I can't honestly tell if any progress was made past the initial proposal (which isn't too shabby).
simchamber.proboards4.com/index.cgi?board=controlroom&thread=1094699234&action=display&start=0

And of course, let us not forget the current stats...

Freyia said:

Child of EVA

Starting Max SP: 95

Maximum SP Cap: 190

Skills & Abilities:

- Dodge Cost is 20. Minimum Dodge Cost is 5.
- Countercut: 2 EN or 5 PCs

- Only ones able to activate the AT-Field.

- Synchro Rate: Modifies Dodge Cost and Weapon Damage in EVAs or in any unit with Asuka's Plug Suit equipped.
Private: Dodge Cost is 18. Weapon Damage +10%.

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Corporal: Dodge Cost is 16. Weapon Damage +20%.[/i]
Sergeant: Dodge Cost is 14. Weapon Damage +30%.[/i]
Ensign: Dodge Cost is 12. Weapon Damage +40%.[/i]
Lieutenant: Dodge Cost is 10. Weapon Damage +50%.[/i]

Conversion Cost: 1400 PCs

Series of Origin: Neon Genesis Evangelion[/quote]

We're all pretty familiar with features of the EVAs, and it seems proposed features of the class is Synchro Rate, AT Field activation, and possibly a relation to the Berserker mode demonstrated by EVA-01.

As a minor comment on Berserking, I wouldn't have a problem with every EVA essentially presenting both an EVA and a Berserker mode, but I'd think that it could vary a lot. If we call Asuka's piloting in the End of Evangelion a "berserker" then that allows for a lot of latitude, whereas if we limit ourselves to EVA-01's berserking, as in "The Beast" episode, was it, we have a much different synthetic lifeform on our hands.

Questions, comments, damn I wish I had the rest of the DVDs of this...

[RurouninMao]

I thought we wont be touching CoE?

[Umbaglo]

Uh, why wouldn't we? The class still has just as many problems.

[Tavish]

Although there are other projects that may alter the final result of CoE's modifications, we'd be paralyzed if we waited for everything else to go down the pipe first.

Anyways....

Right now, they have an AT Field that gives them some limited status defenses. They also have Synchro Rate, which lets them... dodge, I suppose. And do more damage. Tristan suggested a 'perfect synchro' item that would increase the power of Synchro Rate, damage, and also improve AT Field. Something about it being hi-tier.

What is more interesting to me is the Berserker abilities. What exactly should we consider "Berserker." Is it simply the province of the EVA going mad, or can we treat the pilot doing the same, as the same, system-wise.

[Arad Baranga]

In Tristan's proposal, it was the unit's berserk mode. So -01's rampage, not Asuka's come-from-behind fit. It was basically modding each of the EVAs to have a Berserk form like -01.

[Trigger]

I'd Think it's be helpful to the EVAs if the Umbilical Cable didn't Add so much Dodge cost. + 10 DC really hurts, that knocks the EVAs down to Low Level Yuusha Territory.

And there's Two EVAs without the Cable, One's HT that Needs 5 Fights AND the Cost of 1,000 PCs, and the other is well..... Just Expensive (1,000 PCs).

Low Level COEs have worst DC than some SRs thanks to the cable. Of Course they could Disconnect the cable, but with the Limited Battery taking 2 EN per turn, they HAVE to reconnect the cable at some point and then they're back to High Dodge Costs.

Even with Tristan's Complete Synchro the COEvas Would Still have to pay 15 PCs to Dodge. * Strongly Feels the Cable's DC Mods sould be lowered, at least to +5 instead of +10 * [/end rant]

[Arad Baranga]

I don't think the cable's so bad now that the EVAs have 2 IS, but it could stand to be lowered a little. It's not actually all that much of a hindrance in SRW. Or, since in SRW you can hook the cable to the ship, EVAs can be given a reduced penalty to use it when a mothership is present.

Also, now that Bunshin does not cost EN, the restriction on using evasive abilities should be removed from the Umbilical Cable.

[Aslan Cross]

I agree with lowering the DC penalty on the cable. (I thought this was already done before?)

[Belmont]

Umbaglo said:

Uh, why wouldn't we? The class still has just as many problems.

If it is touched I'll be damned if Antibody gets deleted since they both run on that "Only Abilitys they have are from the Mecha" Logic

[Tavish]

Belmont said:

If it is touched I'll be damned if Antibody gets deleted since they both run on that "Only Abilitys they have are from the Mecha" Logic

Har?

I don't see why. They're two different pilot classes, with two different mecha types. One is a special person born at the time of the Second Impact, the other is a girl/guy who makes nice with an intelligent robot that, I am led to understand, mostly requires parenting skills.

Nevermind that the class concepts were duplicating others to the point of infinity.

[Arad Baranga]

Yeah, the reason is that we have real fixes to CoE, but we don't have ones for Antibody that aren't just copying other classes.

[Umbaglo]

Belmont, I think you should think about what you say before you comment. A lot of the time, you say something that's just plain wrong or broken. You're certainly not going to do anything like that.

[Belmont]

All that I am saying is that with COE you guys are far more lenient with applying abilitys with Antibodys all you saw was the fact that they have common traits with other classes then decided to just get rid of it. Here you don't have much to go by other then AT Fields and Berserk.

They do have alot in common with EVA's and a little with the Nadesico units. Brains have the EVA's Synchro rate even the Grand Char's carry a Berserk type ability. Also they both made of Organic Metal, there Chakra Shields act alot like AT fields in the series. With Nadesico they just took there Bonson Jumping concept.

Im going to try and create 2 versions of the Antibody class I guess it can be seen as a last attempt to not have them deleted. From those 2 perhaps one can be accepted or even from those 2 give people Ideas on how to work with them making there own fixes.

[Tavish]

Perhaps you should remove this post from a discussion about an entirely different class. I do not appreciate your efforts to muddle the topic!

[Umbaglo]

While I still think that CoE doesn't realyl have much of a basis, at least the pilots actually have something. Unlike the people who pilot Antibodies, who rely entirely on the abilities of the Antibody itself.

And what Antibody goes berserk? I can't remember any unit that has anything even remotely similar, except maybe Edgar Grand, but even that's nothing like Eva-01's berserker.


On a different note, if we're on agreement about the cable, we can go change the DC mod down to only +5.