Mobile Dolls: Announce at deploy or not?

[MaullarMaullar]

For the corresponding discussion, see:

simchamber.proboards4.com/index.cgi?board=controlroom&action=display&n=1&thread=3291

[Tavish]

A second declare presents something of an oddity. We all know what every other summon is going to, or, in the case of multiple summons, can summon. While I'm not adverse to some flexibility in the Mobile Doll summons, it's about 30 different mobile dolls.

[Mechalomaniac]

Umm...sounds all right to me. It's not like declaring what they are changes the battle that much.

[Aslan Cross]

I don't really think it's necessary. When fighting an opponent who is predisposed to using the MDS, you should know from looking at his AM what he's most likely to bring.

[MaullarMaullar]

Well, some people have a lot of MDs. Also, with Flash System there are only three choices, yet you have to declare which one you're picking in your deploy.

[Julius Firefocht]

I voted yes, and here's my reason:

MDs have the capability to tip a fair 1v1 match into a 4v1 total rout. Even though the weapons that MDs carry may not that strong, every little bit helps in combat.

[WesleyGibson]

The variety of what you can bring with a MDS and how it effects the outcome of a match can really be pretty painful. I remember once against avitar I came prepared for a lot of low level damage because of the units he had and his tendency to MD, so after a few turns of battle without summoning, he went out and bought a Vayate so he drop big (V)'s on me forever. Not cool.

[Arad Baranga]

Wes has a good point, so I have to say yes too. Though if we abolish the Flash System as an installable as proposed in the other thread (and I think we should) we may want to heavily rework MD System altogether, or knock it off too.

[Avitar Diggs]

As much as I don't like the idea of summoning units at the beginning of battle, I don't mind if that changes. Totally removing the Mobile Doll system is a step too harsh. It's already a fairly weak system, concidering the Virus attack and the fact you can put no summons in the stipulations.

[Radius]

Avitar, the Virus attack doesn't weaken the Mobile Doll System at all, unless you're foolish enough to bring it to a fight where you know the other person has that attack. You can't just install a Virus attack with an item, but the MDS system allows you to install 4 extra allies. And no summons in the stips doesn't weaken MDS, it just means you can't bring it. Big deal, figure out how to win some other way.

[Avitar Diggs]

Look, do I heckle you all for using your damn bushin equipped suits? Or your SR classes? Or, those nice HT chips that came out before I joined? I like Mobile Dolls. They're fun to use, even though I lose more often than I win with them. You're the ones that need to learn to live with it.

[Radius]

Amount of units I have with Bunshin = 4
Amount of times I've used said unit = 4
Amount of times my opponent hasn't had Bunshin and I've used Bunshin = 1

Amount of times I've fought with an SR class = 1
Amount of times I've fought with an SR class against a RR = 0

Amount of HT chips I have that you don't have = 0

And how many times have you used Mobile Dolls? And I've seen you use them against people that just joined too.

Oh, and in case you didn't notice, they modded the SR classes because they were broken, and they're fixing Bunshin because it's broken. Thought you might like to know. Don't start whining now that they're fixing what you like to abuse. I'm not saying don't use MD's, or MD's are wrong, I'm saying they need to be fixed.

[Avitar Diggs]

First off Radius, get your goddamn facts straight. I have never willingly used Mobile Dolls aginst a newbie or fought one for that matter except for maybe Kazu in Evis' tourney, who was an unfortunate victim of chance. Check My AM:
simchamber.proboards4.com/index.cgi?board=am&action=display&n=1&thread=3527

You wanna contiue this conversation? Take it to PMs.

Look at it this way, in a deploy with 4 MDs, the max i'd have to pay for eveyone to dodge is 25 PCs. In a 150 PC fight, that gives me 6 turns to dodge. Then, my MDs die and i'm down to secondary defenses. Even with seishins like Flash, i'm in a tight spot. Even MDing one unit can put me at a disadvantage. Look at my recent battle with Maullar ("Cute Girl vs. Creepy Doll Man"). His (SX) and (BSV) made doll deployment suicidal. Every one in a blue moon, I get a fight where i'm lucky and the MDS works out (see "TGIF" vs. WesleyGibson), but most of the time, no one will fight me unless they have a unit with a substantial (S) or unless no summons is put into the deploy. I don't see the disadvantage.

You say putting no summos in the stips doesn't matter, but it is one of the most powerful defenses anyone can use against me. Not only does it save your ass from my MD hordes, but it devalues my entire MD collection at the same time. I think you all hold enough power as it is without making the system any weaker.

[Kyousuke Sumeragi]

I voted no. Same reason with Aslan's. Aside from that, it's your tactical advantage/disadvantage to bring or not to bring units expected by your opponent, which is same to him/her as well.

[Umbaglo]

I'm not going to vote, but I don't really see a need to. I mean, do you have to declare what summons you're going to use when you're in a Doros? Or a Medius Locus Third? Or a Devil Gundam? Or a Berga Giros (Black Vanguard)? No, you don't. It's the same thing here. The only difference, really, is that MDS has a larger list of summons, but in the end it's just the same as any unit which has the capability to summon multiple types of units.