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Post by Umbaglo on Dec 6, 2004 22:46:21 GMT -5
Coinciding with the VP mods, Anima Spiritia is to become anyone use. So, this means a change in the way AS works.
Anima Spiritia: Choose whether to use this ability when deploying. Deactivate all weapons, Countershoot, and Countercut for this battle. May use the Sound System and Sound Booster.
Song EN: This is a special type of EN used for singing songs. Amount of Song EN varies according to rank.
Private: 50 Corporal: 70 Sergeant: 90 Ensign: 120 Lieutenant: 150[/b]
This is basically how it works now. One of the starting problems is to determine what exactly should be disabled when choosing to use AS.
The next problem is a minor change to one song. Try Again's effect on a number of classes is now useless, or just plain don't work.
Sei Senshi: Hyperize already sustains. Maybe make it sustain without a cost?
Dynamics: While the current wording technically works, should it be modded any?
Personal Trooper: Useless, since PTs get the exact same effect when hit by Totsugeki Love Heart and Power to the Dream.
Valkyrie Pilot: Maybe gain 2 Advance Maneuver charges a turn?
Let's begin!
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Post by Signal on Dec 6, 2004 22:54:12 GMT -5
Giving the likely that anyone can use anima spiritia now using a SES. Maybe we need VP's a boost on their Song EN like this.
Valkyrie Pilot's Song EN
Song EN: This is a special type of EN used for singing songs. Amount of Song EN varies according to rank.
Private: 90 Corporal: 120 Sergeant: 150 Ensign: 180 Lieutenant: 200
As for the new Try Again Effects, my suggestions so far are...
Sei Senshi> Sustain their Hyperize without a cost as long as Anima Spiritia target's the unit
Dynamics: Mazinger Pilots> Unit gains Mazin Power Getter Pilots> Unit gains 2 Kiai Counter's a turn for free Grendizer Pilots> Unit gains 2 Kiai Counter's a turn for free
Personal Trooper: Recover 1 Overload charge a turn
Valkyrie Pilot> gain 2 Advance Maneuver charges a turn
well how does that look?
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Post by Umbaglo on Dec 6, 2004 22:57:40 GMT -5
How about, no? That's WAY too much Song EN. Personally, I don't think there should be a bonus for VPs, but if there was, it should look like this:
Song EN: This is a special type of EN used for singing songs. Amount of Song EN varies according to rank. Valkyrie Pilots gain an additional 25%.
Private: 30 Corporal: 50 Sergeant: 70 Ensign: 90 Lieutenant: 120
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Post by Yanbetari on Dec 6, 2004 23:04:58 GMT -5
Well, what's disabled should be pretty obvious. No weapons, which means no CC or CS. I can't think of anything else it should explicitly disable. The "no weapons" would make certain abilities like PT Overload rather useless, admitedly, but I don't think they would need to be specified.
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Post by CowboyJohnny on Dec 6, 2004 23:06:02 GMT -5
SS: sure, I guess.
Dynamics could simply "receive double Ki-Ai counters while Try Again is in effect."
I wouldn't say PT's bonus is that useless - it works to fill up slots if you're using SB Try Again for some other ongoing benefits, after you've exhausted the one-time stuff. If you want a one-time benefit, maybe give them a couple extra overloads?
2 Advance Maneuver charges per turn seems consistent with the ongoing effects. Along the same lines, I'd probably do something like double Boson Jump charges with new MS, once we get that.
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Post by Mechalomaniac on Dec 6, 2004 23:15:53 GMT -5
What to disable: This is a bit tricky. Leaving everything on might be good, but it'd make the Dynamic's by and large the best singers, of course they also couldn't attack, so I don't know. It'll also bring up the point of pilot abilities increase damage against Protodevlin (not that that happens too often, but it's still an issue).
Useless Try Again fixing:
Sei Senshi: Agree with the Sustain Hyperize at no cost.
Personal Trooper: Maybe something like 50% from Attacker and Dodge Cost -5?
Mazinger Pilot: Mazin Power activates immedieatly (similar to the Yuusha ability)?
Grendizer Pilot: Double Ally Synchro Bonus OR Gain Ally Synchro without an ally?
Getter Pilot: +1 Ki-Ai Counter per turn?
Valkyrie Pilot: +2 AM counters per turn sounds good.
Also depending on what happens to Martian Sucessor when Boson Jump is changed, they'll need to be changed as well, but we can burn that bridge when we come to it.
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Post by Umbaglo on Dec 6, 2004 23:19:24 GMT -5
I'm weary on free Ki-Ai gains, because unlike Tension, Ki-Ai is permanent and gives a bit more of a bonus.
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Post by Mechalomaniac on Dec 6, 2004 23:22:18 GMT -5
Humm...true. Maybe keep the current "Ki-Ai costs less PCs to gain" idea for the Getter, or mayube something like 5 Extra Open Gets? I think variance among the Dynamics would be good.
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Post by Signal on Dec 6, 2004 23:22:22 GMT -5
Well the Song boost is ok now. ;D
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Post by Umbaglo on Dec 6, 2004 23:25:15 GMT -5
I can see "All Ki-Ai gains give an extra counter" as an effect. At least it's not out of the blue free counters.
Extra Open Gets is a kinda limited ability. Try Again is not really a song you'll use on the person for long. And while 5 more Open Gets would work in some cases, not for the general case. At least, not quite as much as, say, half Gren Power costs, or immedieate activation of Mazin Power.
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Post by Trigger on Dec 6, 2004 23:28:32 GMT -5
Maybe We Could Make Open Get a Primary Defence instead of a Secondary Defence for the time that Try Again's in Effect?
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Post by Mafty Navue Erin on Dec 6, 2004 23:56:23 GMT -5
I don't think there should be any bonus for VP's in Song EN if only for the reason that being a VP does not contribute in any way for any increase in being a AS, but this is purely speculation on my part though.
[/li][li] Sarah Nomu in Macross Zero might be a AS, given how her singing affected living things the way Basara's did, and she's no VP. [/li][li] The Jamming Birds in M7 weren't VP's but in the final battle, they were able to do those Song EN and stuff.
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Post by tiffac on Dec 7, 2004 0:59:47 GMT -5
I don't think there should be any bonus for VP's in Song EN if only for the reason that being a VP does not contribute in any way for any increase in being a AS, but this is purely speculation on my part though. [/li][li] Sarah Nomu in Macross Zero might be a AS, given how her singing affected living things the way Basara's did, and she's no VP. [/li][li] The Jamming Birds in M7 weren't VP's but in the final battle, they were able to do those Song EN and stuff.[/quote] You have convince me, I agree to the proposal.
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Post by ^Keiichi_Morisato on Dec 7, 2004 2:44:52 GMT -5
How would Anima Spiritia affect the D:3 healing weapon of Vanilla H's Angel Frame, though? (Well, it's as if SES can be used on THAT anyway, since it has an inherent HALO System...)
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Post by Umbaglo on Dec 7, 2004 6:15:56 GMT -5
There'd be no effect. How could there? No song does anything to a weapon that has no damage.
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