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Post by Arad Baranga on Nov 23, 2004 15:52:55 GMT -5
And that's a bad idea why? It's not like it's especially urgent to get any single series in to the SC. I've been pretty patient with Mospeada.
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Post by Berrik on Nov 23, 2004 16:09:35 GMT -5
Mechs in the SC are a horrible, horrible idea. Kouji has spelled out why. Even assuming the heat problems were resolved--- We'd have a bunch of SS sized units running around with weapons that couldn't even scratch the paint on the Gundam! There's one further thing that should be considered with regards to them... Almost ALL Mechs are not equipped with melee weapons. This, combined with their pitiful speed compared to most other RRs and pitiful durability (again compared to most RRs) spells their death against almost any opponent with an (M). A single Dom could probably take out dozens if not hundreds of Mechs.  |
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Post by Trigger on Nov 23, 2004 16:11:35 GMT -5
Berrik> Lack of CC and Melee Weapons didn't Stop Zoids, and some Mechs work fine without Melee.
And as Far as Speed/Agility Goes, The Base DC is Normally Brough up from the PILOT, not the Mech. Usually
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Post by Berrik on Nov 23, 2004 16:15:37 GMT -5
Berrik> Lack of CC and Melee Weapons didn't Stop Zoids, and some Mechs work fine without Melee. And as Far as Speed/Agility Goes, The Base DC is Normally Brough up from the PILOT, not the Mech. Usually The difference between Mechs and Zoids is that Zoids are high mobility and can thus dodge things, and Mechs are NOT. Then, of course, there's the issue of horrible, horrible, horrible fire control and pitiful weapon ranges. |
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Post by Trigger on Nov 23, 2004 16:18:15 GMT -5
Firepower can be Cured With Items.
Range isn't in the SC.
And Again Agility/Speed is Something Determind by the Pilot (Usually). if you put a Valk in Mazinger, he'll dodge like a Valk. You Stick a Mazin pilot in a Valk, He'll get the Mazin's Dodge Cost as base.
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Post by Berrik on Nov 23, 2004 16:25:09 GMT -5
Firepower can be Cured With Items. Range isn't in the SC. And Again Agility/Speed is Something Determind by the Pilot (Usually). if you put a Valk in Mazinger, he'll dodge like a Valk. You Stick a Mazin pilot in a Valk, He'll get the Mazin's Dodge Cost as base. So you're saying that anyone who would use one of these theoretical Mechs would NEED to use items? That's just ridiculous. Even the weakest units in the SC can stand on their own a bit without any items at all. Too much trouble for only a single series of units that would suck in an SRW environment. |
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Post by Trigger on Nov 23, 2004 16:31:46 GMT -5
I Never Said They NEED the Items, I Said they Could Use items just like everyone Else.
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Post by Arad Baranga on Nov 23, 2004 16:57:06 GMT -5
Considering that a large number of the original Battletech designs were based on Macross and Dougram units, I think it would be reasonable to say that the 'Mechs are on par with units from these series. It's not like they'd be helpless little piles of junk. If they were in SRW, it's standard for them to be scaled up to to level of the other units that would be seen too. Macross has been in SRW, it's been GOOD in SRW. Dougram was in Brave Saga, which is similar, and those other wacky Sunrise games too. So I'm not sure at all that the power level arguement flies.
Though, I still don't think now's the time to worry about adding it. Some day down the line it could work, and so it's not really anything to get up in arms about, but it is a series that will need a lot of research and work to add. At the moment, we've got modifications to focus on instead, and the SRWGC/OG2 materials coming out, and so forth, though.
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Post by Trigger on Nov 23, 2004 17:09:19 GMT -5
* gives Kait a Gluag Plushie *
Makes Sense
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Post by Trigger on Nov 23, 2004 17:26:00 GMT -5
And Again, Agility in the SC is Based on the Pilot, not the Mech, at least most of the time
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Post by Berrik on Nov 23, 2004 17:26:21 GMT -5
Considering that a large number of the original Battletech designs were based on Macross and Dougram units, I think it would be reasonable to say that the 'Mechs are on par with units from these series. It's not like they'd be helpless little piles of junk. If they were in SRW, it's standard for them to be scaled up to to level of the other units that would be seen too. Macross has been in SRW, it's been GOOD in SRW. Dougram was in Brave Saga, which is similar, and those other wacky Sunrise games too. So I'm not sure at all that the power level arguement flies. Though, I still don't think now's the time to worry about adding it. Some day down the line it could work, and so it's not really anything to get up in arms about, but it is a series that will need a lot of research and work to add. At the moment, we've got modifications to focus on instead, and the SRWGC/OG2 materials coming out, and so forth, though. Actually, only a few Battletech designs were based off of Macross designs-- and they got sued over it. This is why LAMs are not terribly common in Btech. Also, Valks, again, are able to hold their own thanks to extreme mobility. Finally, as far as firepower goes... There are Mech ranged weapons that are shorter ranged than Gunbuster is tall.  |
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Post by Trigger on Nov 23, 2004 17:29:27 GMT -5
* Blinks at the Semi-Double Post *
But the SC doesn't use Range Either.
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Post by Berrik on Nov 23, 2004 17:31:04 GMT -5
I was using that as a point to illustrate how puny Btech weapons are.
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Post by Trigger on Nov 23, 2004 17:49:22 GMT -5
Some Items and/or Pilot Classes can Fix that. With the Right Stuff, Even a Dopp can Compete
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Post by Sytax on Nov 23, 2004 19:34:54 GMT -5
I'm sorry as much as i like Mechwarrior etc... I thought the idea of brining them into the SC was burried a long time ago for many of the reasons brought up now...Why are we discussing this again when in all honesty nothing new has been laid on the table? Furthermore frankly I don't see how a mech could ever compete with anything in the SC if your being true to MW, if you claim it can then your really not being honest with yourself.
Finally having MW in the SC is not about liking it or hating it, its about compatibility and in all honesty I don't see how it truly be compatible.
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