My view on Fixing COE: The class and unit changes

[Tristan]

Changes:

CoE work:

Unit changes:

Dummy Plug is removed.
Cable is changed to 50% EN every round
AT Field costs 1 EN per use
Gains more of a gravity wave reduction, +to DC with cable is brought down ALOT. (Excellence regain 10%, and they have 50 or so. Which is about on equal with an EVA. This really is fair, when you think about it.
Units gain Berserk abilities and total rehauls
Complete Synchro item. High Tier, ~3000 PC to buy


Starting Max SP: 70

Maximum SP Cap: 140

Skills & Abilities:

- Dodge Cost is 20.
- Countercut: 2 EN or 5 PCs

-AT Field: Negate x damage from any source. AT-Field only negates weapons of x damage or below and is automatically negated if used to block damage with a value of x + 1 or above. Pay 50% off the Destroy negation price to negate PARALYZE attacks.
A unit's AT-Field is automatically negated by attacks that come from units with AT-Fields.:
- Private: x = 20. May also pay 20 EN to negate Level 1 DESTROY attacks.
- Corporal: x = 25. May also pay 16 EN to negate Level 1 DESTROY attacks.
- Sergeant: x = 30. May also pay 12 EN to negate Level 1 DESTROY attacks.
- Ensign: x = 35. May also pay 9 EN to negate Level 1 DESTROY attacks.
- Lieutenant: x = 40. May also pay 6 EN to negate Level 1 DESTROY attacks.

Complete Synchro: (Item Based) AT Field no longer breaks and is free, automatically negate Destroy Level 1, Pay 6 EN to negate Level 2.

- Synchro Rate: Boosts Agility and Attack Power in EVAs only.
Private: Dodge Cost is 18. Weapon Damage +10%, +1 to Enemy Dodge Cost.
Corporal: Dodge Cost is 16. Weapon Damage +20%, +1 to Enemy Dodge Cost.
Sergeant: Dodge Cost is 14. Weapon Damage +30%, +2 to Enemy Dodge Cost.
Ensign: Dodge Cost is 12. Weapon Damage +40%, +2 to Enemy Dodge Cost.
Lieutenant: Dodge Cost is 10. Weapon Damage +50%, +3 to Enemy Dodge Cost.

Complete Synchro (Item Based) Dodge cost is 5, Weapon damage is +100%, +5 to Enemy Dodge Cost

- Berserk: When an Eva type unit is destroyed, a Child of Evangelion is capable of activating it's berserk mode. In this mode, only selected attacks are avaliable, and the unit gains the Berserker inherent. The unit also regains a percentage of HP/EN based on it's current rank.
Private: 20% HP/EN
Corporal: 40% HP/EN
Sergeant: 60% HP/EN
Ensign: 80% HP/EN
Lieutenant: 100% HP/EN

Complete Synchro: (Item Based) +125% HP/EN (Increases max HP/EN)

Conversion Cost: 1400 PCs

[Tristan]

Random Example that's not at all accurate:

EVA-00

Statistics:
HP: 50, EN: 15, IS: 2, Size: L

Weapons:
1) Punch (M)- 12 damage; Avaliable when Berserk
2) EVA-Use Handgun - 15 damage, 16 rounds
3) Pellet Rifle (SV)- 15 damage, 10 rounds
4) Progressive Knife (M)- 20 damage, 1 EN/attack
5) Melee (M) - 12 damage x 3, 3 EN; Only avaliable when Berserk
6) Body Slam - 25 damage, 2 EN; Only avaliable when Berserk

Inherent Abilities:
1) Usable by Children of EVA only
2) Shield
3) Countercut
4) Countershoot: EVA-Use Handgun, Pellet Rifle
5) AT Field (Barrier)
6) Limited Battery
7) Umbilical Cable (System)

[Berrik]

In before huge argument.

100% HP regen.... XP

[Tristan]

It's a one time thing. Which is why complete synchro give 125%

It's like this..
Eva has 70 HP and 15 EN, you die and come back with..

Private: 14/70 HP, 3/15 EN
Lieutenant: 70/70 HP, 15/15 EN
Full Synchro: 88/88 HP, 19/19 EN

It's a one time regain, with the full Synchro raising max HP/EN for the fight. It's not a constant regain.

[Mafty Navue Erin]

Hm...Berserk is weaker than Complete Synchro...? (please explain the source/BG of the item)

[Tristan]

Berserk is an ability, Complete Synchro is an item that works with all the Eva abilities. It increases the strength of the AT Field, of Synchro and of the strength of a Berserk Eva.

As for the source of complete Synchro, there are several instances where characters in Evangelion reach ASTRONOMICAL level of synchronization. Such as Shinji's 400%, where he liquifies in the eva and the unit inturn gets a massive boost. This item is meant to represent the huge synchronization rates in the show. It will also balance out the High-level spirit dependancy link that will be given to Masoukishin bosses soon.

[Aslan Cross]

Having complete synchro as an item is kinda weird, IMO. I suggest making it similar to Medius's AI Override, where the mech basically takes over. Disable seishins, give the mech a huge boost, and forfeit UPs from the battle. The activation of this ability will cost SP, a lot of it. (So that it's not automatically attainable by a low-level pilot). MAybe even add a fight counter or something. I just think that making it an item isn't really logically solid.

[Arad Baranga]

Eh, we kinda forego logic on a bunch of other items already anyway, like the perishables, Plug Suit (If this item made sense, there'd be no need for the CoE class to begin with), Slit Wafer (Antibody Reaction Level is one's relationship with their Brain/Cher. It's not like you're going to form a bond with Boss Borot), Hagane No Tamashii (Yes it was an item in SRW, but it sounds like it's not actually something that you clamp on to your mecha rather than a spiritual focus), [Insert Sidekick item here], etc.

I like having it as an optional item so that people will have an option of fighting you with it or not, expanding the number of units you can possibly get fights for. Plus this way it's just another step that you can earn after reaching Lt. and capping out.

Though were it to be made a pilot ability, which would also make sense, perhaps making it something that you pay SP to activate and lasts for x turns once per fight would work. It's not a drawback to be synched with the EVA, but it does take an intense force of will and that can't be sustained forever.

As an aside, with AT Field costing EN and being both rank-based AND breakable, perhaps we could get an AT Field item. It could be capped at, like, Sergeant if necessary. That'd work to counteract the "But I can only use these few units and that gets really boring!" thing. As to it making sense if it could be used outside of an EVA... *Points to the first paragraph.* Also, it could be attributed to being part of an Angel.

Oh yeah. As long as the units get overhauled altogether too, it'd be nice aesthetically to have Synchrorate made an inherent that works like IFS/Spirit Dependency Link/etc. instead of just saying "The ability works in EVAs," so that it can jive with the SR Dressup inherent and be a guideline to what units Full Synchro works with.

[Umbaglo]

I still disagree with having the class at all, for much the same reasons that Kait posted in the other topic, but at least this improves matters some, and opens up more options.

[^Keiichi_Morisato]

Aslan said:

I suggest making it similar to Medius's AI Override, where the mech basically takes over. Disable seishins, give the mech a huge boost, and forfeit UPs from the battle.

You better be damn sure you'd win that battle, though, or it's just gonna be like getting hit with a KICK attack...

[Mafty Navue Erin]

^Keiichi_Morisato said:

You better be damn sure you'd win that battle, though, or it's just gonna be like getting hit with a KICK attack...

With a DC of 5, TDC +5, free negation of DESTROY L1, no-AT-break status and x2 damage, who wouldn't? (Unless said battle is rigged or opponent has a strategy specifically fit to beat the setup)

[Arad Baranga]

Which is why it'd kinda stink to be fighting someone who has it just as a pilot ability. They might forfeit their UPs, but in doing so can utterly screw you over anyway a good deal of the time. And by the time they can use it effectively if it eats up a lot of SP, they probably won't be hurting for UPs and will be more willing to do it.

[Mafty Navue Erin]

Then why not make it bothways? The mech has to have the item and works like AI1. Either way, the bonuses that the ability gives are way too huge for it to be easily activated, even if you forego UP's for said battle.

[RurouninMao]

Maybe we could increas the HP and EN of the Eva's, i mean these things are suppose to be Size L right? im not saying something like 100+ HP or 80+ en but something more above normal RR level. This will also negate the Cheese problem that the Eva WILL encounter, maybe a 70 HP and 30 to 40 EN would suffice.

Also I agree with Aslan, i think Berzerk should be made like AI override, it really makes more sense that way. Also for an Item that can be used outside of an Eva, i still say having an item that lets you bring synchro rate outside of Eva is a better solution, to the "stuck in Eva problem". But if most people want the AT field, well majority wins i guess.

Also What will Happen to S2 Engine?

[MaullarMaullar]

EVAs had low HP in @, and I'm assuming in other games as well.