Proposed Unit Modifications

[Shuu]

Alterion

Statistics:
HP: 40, EN: 15, IS: 2

Weapons:
1) 90mm GG Cannon - 6 damage, 10 rounds
2) CTM-02 Spigeaul (PSX) - 6 damage/PC
3) Sonic Saber (M) - 20 damage x 2, 2 EN/attack
4) CTM-07 Prominence (P) - 30 damage x 2, 8 rounds
5) G-Accel Driver - 45 damage x 2, 6 rounds

Alright, I'm sure it may seem like I'm being anal or pointless in this respect, but accurately speaking, the Alterion starts with the following:

4100 HP / 120 EN

max upgradable being

5900 HP / 240 EN

Whenever UP's are implemented, I'm sure the max EN amount can be raised..hence the change in the EN.

Now, for the Sonic Saber, I raised that to two EN because simply speaking, it's a weapon that requires 15 EN to use; meaning that it would be available for use 8 times in its un-upgraded state, and 16 times at max upgrade. I left the melee marker in, since I *THINK* it can be countercut (no matter how cool it looks..) but if someone can show differently, perhaps we can remove the melee-tag and up the EN cost to 3?

Gundam F-91

Statistics:
HP: 40, EN: 30, IS: 2

Weapons:
1) Vulcan Gun- 3 damage, 10 rounds
2) Beam Rifle (B)- 6 damage, 8 rounds
3) Beam Sabre (M)- 6 damage
4) Beam Launcher (B)- 35 damage, 4 rounds
5) Mega Machine Cannon- 15 damage, 10[/i] rounds
6) VSBR (S,B)- 50 damage x 2, 5 EN/shot
7) MEPE Attack (X)- 25 damage, 2 EN/shot -- Requires Newtype / Enhanced Human Ability to use
Inherent Abilities:
1) Usable by Ensigns or higher.
2) Beam Shield
3) Countercut
4) Bunshin: Dodge 1 attack completely for 1 EN.

Ok, a few things I changed here were the Mega Machine Cannons (note that I'm going on the Alpha 2 -- the most recent scale) rounds, to 10 from 8. I upped the EN cost of the VSBR and gave it a (B) marker, though I did up the overall power. The MEPE Attack got an EN and power increase as well, as well as giving it a NT requirement.

Before you freak it or jump on me, listen to my reasoning

1 - the VSBR -- Whether we like it or not, this IS a beam Weapon. As much as I hate to bring Wing into this, the Buster Rifle seems to operate on similar principles -- the power of the blast can be varied. Though it's a POWERFUL beam weapon, the fact of the matter remains that it is a beam weapon -- @2 signifies this much.

2 - MEPE Attack -- Now you may ask "Why do I need a NT / EH ability to use this" but Berrik brought up a very good point; this attack seems to make use of the F-91's Bio Computer. In order to use the full potential of the Bio Computer, you do need NT capabilities no? The B-marker was removed, as well as the S; however, it has become a powerful X attack -- WITH an EN increase.

That's all for now, tell me what you think.

[Mafty Navue Erin]

F91's VSBR would eventually get the B treatement in the SC. The proposals sound interesting and accurate. I was also thinking of degrading the power of the Mega Machine Cannon and upgrading F91's beam rifle instead.

As for Alterion....hmm...still trying to digest the proposal about it....Hmm...

It will lower the overall unit power level, so, I suggest we add something to keep the power level....like an additional IS and lowered rank requirement?

[Shuu]

Very true..an extra item slot would benefit the Alterion immensely; again there's the option of removing the melee marker from the Sabers and lowering the power slightly. . . but the item slot *does* sound best.

On another note, do you think adding an item slot to the F-91 would be too abusive (if you want to go by Impact terms?) I'd almost say yes, since it has a cheap Bunshin cost..

[Shuu]

And now of course..Grungast (or is it "Grungust" modifications?)

Grungust Reishiki

Statistics:
HP: 160, EN: 50, IS: 2

Weapons:
1) Boost Knuckle (P)- 40 damage
2) Hyper Blaster- 75 damage, 5 EN/shot
3) Reishiki Zankantou- 150 damage, 10 EN/attack
4) Armor Breaker - 10 PCs/shot - Negate Armor Effects for 3 rounds if successful hit is landed.
Inherent Abilities:

1) Usable by Lieutenants or higher.
2) Countercut
3) Breaker Canceller -- Immunity to breaker effects.
4) Armor Breaker: Pay 10 PCs per shot; if successful
5) Damage Received: -25%

Grungast Sanshiki

Statistics:
HP: 160, EN: 60, IS: 2

Weapons:
1) Eyesolid Laser - 40 damage, 12 rounds
2) Drill Boost Knuckle (PS)- 60 damage x 2
3) Omega Blaster (S)- 130 damage, 10 EN/shot
4) Zankantou Ichimonjigiri- 200 damage, 15 EN/attack

Inherent Abilities:
1) Usable by Lieutenants or higher.
2) Countercut
3)Zankantou Ichimongiri: Target's Dodge Cost +7
4) Damage Received: -10%


Alright, I know these changes are questionable again, but keep in mind they are only *proposals* and I would love to know what you guys think -- after all, Mafty and Alk really have the final say here. Now for the reasoning:

1 - Grungust Reishiki: Alright, one of the Gundam SEED units has a similar function to the armor breaker if I'm not mistaken, so there's no reason we can't implement it on the Resihiki, no? Additionally, considering that it is a Super Robot unit and is rather low on weaponry, I think it's fair that it gets inherent damage reduction (after all, normal Grungust has that in its tank form, Nishiki has a Nendou field); in the game, the Armor Breaker is only 2 rounds..but I figured it'd be more fair to make it a PC based weapon. What say you, fellow moderators?

2 - Grungust Sanshiki: Mafty, you'll probably hate me for going back and proposing this change..but once again I implemented the dreaded math. Like the Alterion, the Sanshiki has about 240 EN at Max Upgrade. The Zankantou, costing 60 EN, would only have 4 uses total. . so I figured as a fair trade off, we could up the damage and dodge cost (who says we have to do it in multiples of 5, anyhow?)

2b - Other Sanshiki things: The Omega Blaster only costs slightly less EN than the Zankantou, being an "All" or "S" class weapon. The EN cost is nearly doubled in this case, but the damage has been upped as well. Whether we should do it further to compensate is questionable. .
Additionally, I left the eyesolid laser alone -- it normally costs 5 EN per shot in the game (which we could easily throw as 1 EN) but I didn't want to change too much -- if you guys want to do so, by all means, go for it.
Finally..being a Super Robot type, the old Grungust Sanshiki deserves at least an inherent damage reduction of 10%, don't you think?

[Shuu]

More up, this time I'm mainly concerned over regenerating Boss and other units that have cheap attacks -- as well as mods for a few other, so in no particular order:

Statistics:
HP: 360, EN: 200, IS: 1

Weapons:
1) Photon Vulcan- 15 damage, 20 rounds
2) Z. O. Sword (M)- 45 damage
3) Attracter Shower (SV)- 30 damage/PC, 8 rounds
4) T-Link Feathers (V)- 40 damage/PC
5) Gun Familliar (PSX)- 30 damage, 2 EN/shot
6) Axion Cannon- KICK, 60 EN/shot
7) Infinity Cylinder- DESTROY, 75 EN/shot

Alright, the main thing I change here, which you should easily notice..is the costs of the Axion Cannon and the Infinity Cylinder; but why you ask?

Quite simple: The Astranagun regenerates 50 EN per phase. It has an X attack that can fire off around 25 shots per round -- I did debate changing the Gun Familiars to 3 EN..but then I realized you could CC 'em. If you guys think differently, lemme know.

And I know this IS an auction unit, but hey, 2 people already have 'em. More may exist soon.

Neo Granzon

Statistics:
HP: 350, EN: 160 IS: 1

Weapons:
1) Gran Worm Sword (M)- 40 damage
2) Gravitron Cannon (S)- 200 damage, 20 EN/shot
3) Worm Smasher (SX)- 45 damage, 3 EN/shot
4) Black Hole Cluster- KICK, 12 rounds
5) Shukutaihou- DESTROY, 65 EN/shot

Inherent Abilities:
1) Usable by Lieutenants or higher.
2) Regenerate 25% of HP & EN/turn
3) Countercut
4) Gravity Territory (Barrier)
5) Damage Received: -25%
6) Shukutaihou: Target's Dodge +5

So you guys know, I've already run this by Mafty and Alkaiser, they gave an ok, but I want to know what the masses think.

I've been VERY, VERY reluctant to tamper with this unit people; why? Because I partially benefit from it. But, many people own a Granzon now. Here are the changes:

1 - Worm Smasher changes from a PC based attack, to a high-EN attack. The power has been increased accordingly.

2 - Shukutai-hou has seen a dramatic increase in EN requirement, and has additionally received a dodge modifier.

3 - Inherent damage reduction. Why? Granzon is an armored module, for one. Neo-Granzon was classified in one text as "True Armored Module (Alloy upgrade)" or something to that effect.

4 - EN was increased; a suggestion by Mafty.

Now, I know that's a bit much, but this is going to come at a cost. Upgrading to Neo Granzon is going to require an increased amount of battles. Additionally, Mafty suggested a PC cost equivalent to purchasing a normal Granzon -- 15 battles and a 1400 cost may seem excessive, but hey..the Neo-G's pretty much on par with auction class boss units.

Statistics:
HP: 240, EN: 60, IS: 1

Weapons:
1) First Hell: Caina (M)- 40 damage
2) Second Hell: Antenora (S)- 60 damage, 8 rounds
3) Third Hell: Ptolomeia (PSX)- 12 damage/PC
4) Final Hell: Judecca- DESTROY, 25 EN/attack

Also..while I know that Alk is the only one with the mech right now, Alt Eisen and Weisritter actually didn't lose item slots upon upgrade, surprisingly enough -- may want to consider keeping it at 3, and if you ever make them wisely available, note that.

Also, what about the SRX mods I pushed for awhile back? Any further thoughts on those?

Also, on an unrelated note..brought up by Mafty (which he'll go into more detail on later) we may need to consider something about the Uranus System.

[Groufiste LaCrane]

Sounds great Shuu, I'm for them as well as your SRX and R-series mods.

The talk of the Uranus system sounds like a good idea too. Maybe we can bring in the T-Link system as well.