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Post by Umbaglo on Feb 22, 2005 23:15:05 GMT -5
Ketara is also long-term banned, Sytax. And for much less then Sig's done, by the by.
And JnK, you're not on any "hit list". You were asked nicely to stop what you were doing, but instead you blew up and asked to be banned. So you were. The ban would be removed later. Of course, if you'd like to remain gone, we will honour your wishes, but otherwise this was just a temporary thing.
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Post by Tavish on Feb 22, 2005 23:21:13 GMT -5
Sweet Origin of Goddess.
If you think you're so down on the dumps, then get a reality check, pal. I'm willing to bet at least 30%, if not much more, of the Simulation Chamber suffer from some ailment of reality. Be it depression, financial straits, a bad family life, or other. Myself, I've got all three and then some.
In any case, I find it unwise to defer the responsibility of your actions to your issues. I have fought, day and night, for my entire life, to maintain some semblance of control, to be even borderline accepted by society, and not spend my afternoons hunkering over freshly-slain corpses, vivisecting them bit by bit, like my primeval Id would instruct me to do. Living with the rest of humanity takes effort, and if you're unwilling to invest that effort, you're not going to be received positively, and time and again, the people you meet will decide that the weight is on your shoulders. Personal responsibility is something we all have to deal with. You do not get an exception, and if you do, you are probably fated for Ward 5.
Deal with it.
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Post by Arad Baranga on Feb 22, 2005 23:35:20 GMT -5
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Post by Arkady on Feb 23, 2005 0:14:14 GMT -5
Why are people discussing this at all there are rules and if someone brakes them then they have to deal with the consequences I personally don't really know about most of what happened before but I have heard really bad things about sig from many people and most of them were quite annoyed when he came back and I think that the biggest problem is that people get away with acting like dicks because the know someone or are a mod or such other crap....but I don't go on the chat I just call them as I see them. Anyways that my two cents.
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Post by MaullarMaullar on Feb 23, 2005 0:18:33 GMT -5
Well, there's not much I can say here, especially since it's all been said the first few times you've done this. I will tell you this, though, and not out of any malice, but because it's something you honestly need to consider.
It would benefit all parties involved if you stopped hiding behind your little victim complex, started thinking about why this is happening (and whatever rigmarole you can cook up about bias or prejudice or not being understood is not an acceptable answer), and realized that having issues doesn't grant you an exemption from the rules.
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Post by Kira Yamato on Feb 23, 2005 0:48:39 GMT -5
@ Sig
well, here's my 2 cents on this matter, if you already know that the channel is against you, DON'T try to be cool and join in making nasty remarks to insult another one of your peers, most of which are just waiting for an excuse to kick you. and the peeing on the floor thing ....that's just weird..
Keep in mind that I'm not against you, nor am I on your side, I prefer to stay out of this matter entirely.
@ JnK (Fayt)
okay, your friend got banned, you know your friend is hated by a whole lot of people, you also know that he's done things like this before, so why are you letting him do it again? He got banned because he did things that were not appropriate in the channel and didn't stop when told to. "Peeing on the floor" is not exactly something you would say in a channel like #simchamber when no conversation of that sort is taking place, Sig did it randomly, and he didn't stop.
~ so he was banned for an hour, for whatever reason the ban was lifted and replaced by a 'permanent ban' that's not so permanent since the mods can remove it anytime they want, it's up to them whether they remove it or not now... so what I will do is ...if you REALLY want to come back, apologize, grovel if you have to, and if they somehow forgive you (which seems highly unlikely at this point), learn to restrain yourself from doing anything silly or ...out of the ordinary.
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Post by Signal on Feb 23, 2005 0:56:34 GMT -5
I know i dont know much of what has been going on yet given the situation... i have some things to say at least. I see rants about their personal perspective have come out and its natural for most people to show it, i guess the issue shouldnt be allowed to grow further seeing how many things might happen and so.... I strongly suggest people to calm down, talk things straight, its not as if we can easily resolve the problem but at least we have a clear conscience and mind about this. Long term short, why dont you just say sorry for any offense done even if you can't remember if you did and be friends again. Personally i dont like nor do i involve myself on things like this given my peaceful nature As a community we arent perfect nor a Utopia so things like this happens. We sometimes hurt others but as long as it can be resolved then talk about it and not to blow the issue up. Final word... If any of you guys feel that i have offended someone then i sincirely appologize *bows down in appology*
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Post by Aslan Cross on Feb 23, 2005 1:40:38 GMT -5
Of course this all has to happen when I've got one day left before I'm done with school. It's actually a good thing that I spent the better part of yesterday and today studying moral philosophy and social teachings of theology, and thus my mind is full of good abstract nouns such as love and justice. And also, my oral exams were quite favorable, so I'm happy with today. Had I been studying some aggravitingly stupefying subject like math, I would probably have reacted differently. Very. Very. Very. Differently.
I have skimmed through the logs, and all I see is the cussing itself. Where's the rest of it? What caused all this?
Now, Jnk. You know I never did anything blatantly wrong to you, though I admit I'm not perfect. Please don't generalize that this whole system is being unjust to you, because it's not. On more than one occassion I've done my best to treat you as fairly and as nicely as I could manage without breaking rules. But I can't abide by this. If there is no evidence that proves you were not provoked into acting like this, Frost and I will have to exercise the necessary punishment. I just don't want you to say that we're oppressing you, because I surely did not, and have not.
Sig, I'll be honest with you. I've stuck up for you once. Now I'm going to have to ban you. I'm banning you not because I hate you, not because I think you're disgusting, not because I think you're less than human----because I don't think of you that way. I'm doing it because this whole mess is tearing apart the community we've worked so hard to build. I'll still talk to you after all this is done, and I hope you still will talk to me. I'll be doing this to save you from being lynched.
As for the ops and halfops of the chat---
I know I'm not always around. I know I'm definitely not as active as you guys. I know I don't seem to work as hard as you do in pushing for rules changes. And I know I seem to be soft on offenders, especially people like Sigfried. And I know we come from completely different cultures and probably have different beliefs and values.
But do know that I trust you guys, and that's why you're opped and hopped in #simchamber. Remember, that channel is registered to me, and it was I who gave you those positions because I trust you. But if JnK or Sig can produce evidence that they were:
1. Being taunted or provoked in any manner; 2. or that they were being treated nastily in any other way;
Know that there will be consequences.
Sytax said that I don't like confrontation. That's true. But that doesn't mean I won't do it. That only means that when I do confront, it will be all the more vicious, because I don't like doing it. I don't confront because I have a very long patience, tempered by about a decade and a half of persecution in school. But when I do reach my limit, I will lash out.
You've seen Frost angry, right? No one has seen me angry, yet. Trust me, you don't want to. So when I don't react, don't think it's because I'm soft or weak or clueless. It's because I'm patient.
I do hear things, and I do have friends here who actually bother to tell me what's happening. And I want you guys to be like that too. You know I'm accomodating, and try my best to be civil with you, granted that I do sometimes react wrongly to your statements. I'm not perfect. But I'm trying my best.
Now, I'll most likely be meteing out punishment to JnK (and definitely to Sig), not because I'm mad at them. It's because they went out of line. If I see anyone get out of line, or if I'm presented with evidence that proves any global mod, mod, op, halfop, or any other member of this community goes out of line, I'll make sure that the persons concerned will be sorry that they cross me. [/color]
Now, I'm just about done. I'd just like to bring up one last thing....
Zengar, you know I'm friends with you and I've never done anything wrong to you. You're probably not the only one who said something like this, but it drew my attention right away. I'm sorry if it seems that I'm singling you out.
However, don't see events like this as an excuse to test my patience. Whenever something bad like this happens, I do my best to exercise control over myself such that I do not explode and cuss people. I'll have you know that I DO NOT. DO NOT. APPRECIATE COMMENTS LIKE THIS.
I hope that's all clear. JnK and Sig, I want to hear your sides of the story. This thread is hereby closed.
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Post by Frost Winterheim [In Suit] on Feb 23, 2005 20:35:55 GMT -5
Kaiterra> I read the logs. I think this is clear enough that there is definitely no turning back.
Wes> Accountability. It may appear that I don't have that with regards to the "Sig" problem but please don't reflect it on everything that I do for this board.
Sig> You've crossed the line one last time, kiddo. You're gone. And if I see you again, you won't just get a ban from me. I'll curse you to kingdom come before I obliterate you. You've despoiled the community everyone has worked hard to build and maintain. I will not stand for such childish, insensitive, assinine behaviour. Not even from you or anyone for that matter. I've been trying my best to tolerate you. To be honest, I'm now saying that I should have listened to the people who are in the chatroom in the first place. Prior to this event, during the time that Sig was banned for dropping OG2 spoilers, I asked Kait to give you one last chance. I told him to merely observe you and not create scenarios that can cause you to react violently. The chance came when you were just really being to asshole that they've always described you to be. Aslan may not be mad at you right now BUT I AM![/color] I trusted you to have changed. But you broke that trust. It's over.
To everyone> I have not been unbanning Sig. To be honest, I don't even know how to operate at least a quarter of the commands in IRC so I would not have been the one unbanning him. Nevertheless, I admit that I've been standing up for Sig for the longest time, alongside JnK. But that's over now. Sig was placed in a scenario where nobody was pushing him to be an asshole and he just acted out of his own volition. That was all I needed to see.
I appreciated Kait talking to me about it and agreeing to my terms. I know that most of you think I've gone soft or played favorites with Sig. Please do trust me in the fact that I was merely waiting for enough evidence to remove him. It is true that for a time, I really hoped he would change. You were all correct in saying that it's impossible. It's like trying to produce a vacuum by parting your palms from each other fast enough.
I apologize if some of you lost trust in me. I understand that my actions may have frustrated you and made you think that I am overlooking the responsibilities we ourselves have given the chat mods. I completely trust them. That's also why I asked Kaiterra to agree to my terms of observing Sig because I no longer knew who to trust. And now that Kait has presented me with very clear evidence of Sig's behaviour without anyone prodding him into acting as such, I completely believe that he's beyond salvation.
My last request is that people continue to watch what they say. I read the logs and some parts were painful to read. I never talked about you guys that way even if there were times when I would be frustrated about your attitudes. Why? Because I never saw anything productive in them. We're all friends here.
And finally, I'm trying my best to contain my anger over Sig and what was said regarding me and Aslan in the chatroom. I still have academic stuff to deal with and I need to keep my composure. You've seen me mad. It can get worse. Don't make it reach that point. It's not a threat. I'm saying this because it's harder for me to think straight when I'm mad. I think the same thing goes for everyone on the board.
Anyways, let's get on with our SC activities. This issue is over. I'm letting Aslan handle JnK. I need to get back to my academics since I still have some final examinations to deal with.
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