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Post by Berrik on Dec 7, 2004 8:10:56 GMT -5
I'll make this short.
This needs to be changed-- a faction leader should be able to run their team any way they wish as long as they arn't violating SC rules. If a faction member is having a serious problem with the way a team is run, they can always leave it, after all.
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Post by Umbaglo on Dec 7, 2004 8:12:49 GMT -5
Technically, you are doing that now already, Berrik. That is an SC rule, after all.
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Post by Berrik on Dec 7, 2004 8:14:25 GMT -5
Technically, you are doing that now already, Berrik. That is an SC rule, after all. It's a rule that should be changed. I was under the impression that this was how it worked until I was corrected last night when I found out about this ridiculous back seat driver rule. I sure don't remember anyone calling me on not holding a vote when I told everyone to stick everything in INFERNO, or when I kicked Sigfried out.
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Post by Umbaglo on Dec 7, 2004 9:37:26 GMT -5
That's because no one was opposed.
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Post by Berrik on Dec 7, 2004 10:03:35 GMT -5
Regardless, there's no good reason NOT to change it to the way I want.
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Post by Yuki Eiri on Dec 7, 2004 10:34:13 GMT -5
What I think: If Berrik wants to do something with his faction: it should be up to him whether or not he can do it (as long as it doesn't violate any other rules) And if Berrik wants to ask his faction members about something (with a poll or whatever); he should be allowed to do that too... That's my opinion anyway. Its his faction - he should be in total command. (and this goes for other factions too- not just Berrik )
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Post by CowboyJohnny on Dec 7, 2004 11:46:50 GMT -5
Hey, maybe we don't all want to run our factions like evil empires; as one of the people who helped set up CAKE I'm happy enough giving members some limited veto. We have different needs from you, and the rules might as well reflect that.
Of course the current rules are inaccurate even for us; nothing would happen unless a faction leader did something unpopular and a majority complained afterward.
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Post by Tavish on Dec 7, 2004 12:31:54 GMT -5
I think it can be left there, so if someone wants to call for a vote, for whatever reason, it can be substantiated. It's an easy way to enact a fairly bloodless change in procedure. And until someone feels the desire to ask for a vote, the leader can more or less run it the way he wants.
Although it'd be nice to be able to have a few faction-specific bylaws too. And Berrik's could run something like "This is an Evil Empire Of Insidious Horror. If you don't like it, tough."
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Post by Berrik on Dec 7, 2004 14:28:00 GMT -5
I think it can be left there, so if someone wants to call for a vote, for whatever reason, it can be substantiated. It's an easy way to enact a fairly bloodless change in procedure. And until someone feels the desire to ask for a vote, the leader can more or less run it the way he wants. Although it'd be nice to be able to have a few faction-specific bylaws too. And Berrik's could run something like "This is an Evil Empire Of Insidious Horror. If you don't like it, tough." If someone doesn't like the way a faction is run, they can always leave and either join another or start their own.
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Post by Imban on Dec 7, 2004 14:34:44 GMT -5
Well, I think the only time that would ever really come into play is if you tried to do something that everyone in the faction would hate you for, in which case they probably don't want you being their leader any more anyway.
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Post by Berrik on Dec 7, 2004 15:30:26 GMT -5
Well, I think the only time that would ever really come into play is if you tried to do something that everyone in the faction would hate you for, in which case they probably don't want you being their leader any more anyway. In which case they could leave-- see above.
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Post by Imban on Dec 7, 2004 16:06:06 GMT -5
It'd be easier to kick YOU out if that much of the faction would want to leave.
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Post by Arad Baranga on Dec 7, 2004 16:09:07 GMT -5
Factions are meant to be about the members working together anyway. I don't see why anyone would want to join a faction that wasn't.
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Post by Daki on Dec 7, 2004 18:14:05 GMT -5
Diffrent folks, diffrent strokes. Big Fire is supposed to be the faction of evil after all, so tyranny does nae sound so bad ^^ btw, as a former member of BF, I didnt have any objections to the management, and big B does a fine job running the show. If he wants to play big daddy and it doesnt work, then the members can make a new faction or join others, but if it does, more power to 'em. I say give 'em a shot.
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Post by tiffac on Dec 7, 2004 21:35:59 GMT -5
I kinda agree with Berrik, I run a guild and pRO and its run pretty much the same as Berrik is suggesting but that doesn't mean the leader is not open to suggestions.
The rules would simply state discipline within the ranks just like it should be, it promotes loyalty as well. Not tyranny.
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